After Jiazu War Talk

krantz get your arse in rooon
you sure have free time visiting this forum and writing a book

*SubliminaL*[3xA] wrote:

Krantz wrote:So whats skilled about 1on1s? 1, you have to have aim to win, 2 you have to have timing to win, 3 you don't rely on 3xa regrouping tactics every 2. minutes. You can do mindgames, you can do map controle.

Sry Krantz its 1:44 AM at the time im writing this post so I only read the thing I quoted and it became clear to me.

1. Like I said, some people done even use aiming they spin randomly, spamming attacks (Fresh,Mystic, Whatever) is a good example.
2. Timing? same example, Fresh, he is Beast. He can probably beat someone who has aiming and timing, without using any, just doing his lame attacks, that would mean that the dude using actuall skills is inferior to Fresh... which is not true, but he lost right? I would like to hear your thoughts on this. Like I said, he isnt going to beat everyone, but he is still going to beat some "noob" that still has more aiming and timing than fresh.

Lol at the mindgames and map controle? Yeah, its pretty hard to control rotarena or ar-champions. That open field... darn... how could anyone navigate?!?!

Mindgames are more underlined in teamgames than in 1v1's if you ask me. The only real mind game is the other player feeling that hes about to loose, which is natural for every battle not only in a 1on1.

Edit: Oh wait, I just saw that above my post theres a shit load of stuff concerning hiding tactics and some other shit like that, it was really funny to see all that text, and it kinda felt like a whine to me, so damn, never seen a whine that big. A smart player would adapt to the other teams tactics, for all I care I could kill you 1 time and hide in a corner, I did my part, now you have to find me or you loose, now ofc you can come back to this with some (But thats not rune, thats not how REAL MEN PLAY BLA BLA bullshit) but It wont really matter, so take the fact that Jiazu lost without all the hiding tactics noobish talk, because seriously, you arent fooling anyone, we all know that you are implying that on us, weather you deny it or not. Dont take this post too serious, its just funny you would write a shitload of stuff concerning defensive/hiding/blabla tactics.

Actually I've been in this kinda thread a million times, and I like it.. It's a good discussion.
About fresh, yeah he's random, he does not have aiming, and he doesn't really have timing either, however he kills you, why? - Cause he's unpredictable and fast. If you do have better aiming on your side, and you still lose to fresh, it's because you suck at aiming, since you can just aim the first part of your swing to hit him when he's off guard.. He's just spinning faster and more random than you are trying to aim, meaning your first part of the swing ain't connecting fast enough for him to die, he simply jumps, hits and spin. And obviously you haven't played many 1on1s if you tend to think there's no mindgames involved. Like I said, Rotarena and Champions isn't a demand, I've played 1on1s on bothvar and other standard maps aswell. I simply just said it wouldn't be fun playing a map like that vs a camping, or hiding guy. Take hudson for an example, and Skin, he used to run to axe, jump on the ledge with wh, shed his weapon and pretend he was going to pick up, when you go for a pickup kill, he pulls out his wh, does front attack when you jumpspin attack, and you are dead. That's a mindgame, which actually worked often for him. That's one example, there's many more.. Oh and "the fact that jiazu lost the war" are you refering to a war that I didn't play now? Since that would have nothing to do with me, and I didn't bring it up in the first place, I don't get it. I said random mixes and funwars I've played, which was a little hideandseek to me, with 3xa. Now you can call that whining, and be a douche, but what discussion is this, if you don't bring any arguements? - Don't be a "Oh you are whining, cry more" guy, just because you can't bring any opposing arguements that would make more sense than mine, it only reflects your lack of being superior in grammar and common sense, and is way too cheateralike for anyone to be saying.

And you are correct about the loser having the abillity to adapt to the gameplay, which he should aswell, that doesn't mean he has to sink down to that level of hiding though. You are focusing on who's the best based on the score, and that means the player with the best ratio would win the game, and be the best. Emperor once wrote this example, he said "According to your point of view a player like CLINT would be the best in almost each game, since he can frag you 10 times, by pickup killing and running, and only die once". Now that would mean he has a 10:1 ratio, you are never gonna beat that. He could do 4:1 and you still wouldn't beat him. Frags have a matter too, do you think people consider someone being the best, if they frag you once and hide for 20 minutes? I don't think anyone would look up to a guy like that. That's your own choice though.

For the fun of it, I remembered I played this guy once, he actually challenged me to a 1on1 saying he wanted to train, we played rotarena, first to 30 won I think. Now this guy did say he wanted to train, however he went axe, and stood almost still, keeping his distance so his axe would beat my hammer everytime if I could not outplay him. So he had every advantage from the start, it was my own choice not to take an axe and make it a fair game for myself, cause I simply just wanted to kick this guys ass and be able to say "Hey, you lamed for 20 mins, and I still kicked your ass", it's like beating a cheater, they always have to have the advantage, and they brag about a win so much, but in fact, they probably would lose straight up, like the guy picking the advantage everytime. Now fyi I did kick this guys ass, and I did only use hammer and dws. And actually I didn't even brag that much, and I never once mentioned he played lame, I just beat his ass.. Now if my memory serves me right, this guy was called something like.... W1ld? Rings a bell anyone? I guess you have the shots yourself, I lost mine when I bought a new computer, but I don't really need to prove anything I guess.

Umm stil llazy to read the whole thing, so I just read the first few sentences , He doesnt beat me, not at all, its easy to time when to hit in the middle of his crazy spin and kill him, I have no problems with him what so ever, that would be funny.

And now I read about our 1v1 which was 2 years ago? I only played rune for a few months then?? Nice win btw, Axe was my favorite weapon then, and the whole shit about axe having the advantage is again.. shit, because no one is stopping you to use it, and In my previous post I said you will say something like (thats laming, not how MACHO MEN PLAY RAWR!! crap.) But honestly, I can play with the noob sword for all I care, some people dont like playing against dws, or shielders, so I should go whine they used shield? The thing you repeat in your posts are funny, about defense playing and so on, I may have been defensive 2 years ago, not that I really care, but Im anything BUT defensive now, which ofc doesnt mean Im stupid and will tape down W and hit your weapon, because you often rely on that and if people just dont jump in your weapon, you often say that they are defensive when they kill you, which is another funny thing. Like you said, just and fyi, that 1v1 we had 2 years ago doesnt really mean anything to me, I challenged you in the crew forum for a 1v1 and we had it.

Im going to finish off my discussion about 1v1's now.
In the end a 1v1 cant really prove shit and theres nothing you can say to prove otherwise.
For example, on that exact day that the 1v1 is held, the player may not be in the mood, or another 200000000 million reasons that can contribute to him loosing, Im sure you can figure them out by yourself without me mentioning them. If one person is beaten today, he may very well beat you the next day. That doesnt judge skill or anything. Of course if the outcome is very definitive like 70/30 (which still can be a fluke) then you may get a rough judgement about how you stand compared to the player you faced, so In the end its just win or loose, and not Im better than you or youre better than me.

The discussion about the 1vs1 thingy should stop indeed, its something from the last years Krantz, how come 8 years ago nobody played 1on1's, its because you are newer to this game, and those new guys think 1on1 is the best for aiming and timing, but thats pointless - you can aim and time in Bothvar aswell .
About Fresh - really I laughed my ass off when you gave him a compliment Krantz ''he is unpredictable'', this guy is predictable as hell and if you dont see that, you should really fix something, or its just that you are not experience enough to have a good discussion about Rune, and just write what people have told you sometime like you quote Emperor, its the worst comparison I ever heard and wont even go more into that with text..
I know you are not trowing these words on me personally Krantz, because you know it would be stupid if you do since Im better then you, and ofcourse you dont agree on that I wouldnt do the same if you said so, but its obviously that I am. On all those mix/trainings we did (pointing on the mindgaming), I just remember those 4/5 maps we did sometime ago or the fights on ROV server you even asked me how I was able to end up with the same score as emmix and having a few bloodlusts plus big rows on these USA servers (Does that ring a bell Krantz?).
Getting back on those words you gave me personally, I might be a ''regroup'' guy in 3xA - but I have never been one before, as I said before I am the leader in 3xA and want to play evry war If I can, and I know there are some players that are under my skills level in 3xA, and I dont mind regrouping with them then and then attacking in a group - if you call that lame, I would be really sad and dissapointed in you - it would be the best possible way to win a war for us, nothing to do with hide and seek, remove that view of you on 3xA fast . We could go just hack and slash around but what then, exactly what then, we would loose. And If you like our clan war style or not and believe what you hear from diffrent people - Im a straight guy and telling you how It went, and we just regrouped only at a specific place to attack as a crew, that has nothing to do with being a lame ass if you said so, dont remember, huge posts.

the more time goes in the land, the more annoying becomes this thread, i mean, you always tell the same, but now the posts become extremly big.
They are huge Monsters now, but there are not more informations in it as before.
But i still like, it has got an philosophical Aspect right now.
Thats the sort of discussion i like.

Tell me, and probably the rest of the world more !

Btw who the Fuck is fresh? Do ihave to know him?

No not really, some noob that jumps,spins, and throws his mouse in the air so he spins at 10000 rpm without knowing wtf hes doing. Im with you on the thread size, and that they all have the same info, thats why I only read about 3-4 sentences about the things Krantz talks about.

(BDL)Asderon wrote:Btw who the Fuck is fresh? Do ihave to know him?

Cannibal~Freshmaker? Can't recall him playing like that though.

We're talking about Fresh as in Elite - Fresh, Thanatos Mystic, and I think these days he calls himself REC - Majestic. You've missed nothing (or no one) important though .

Although I too like the new philosophical aspect of this thread, it's quite pointless to continue this discussion really. We know about each other's opinions, and all there is left to do is a rematch to see again who's telling the truth .

*Xiphorus*[3xA] wrote:We're talking about Fresh as in Elite - Fresh, Thanatos Mystic, and I think these days he calls himself REC - Majestic.

oh this guy
yeah hes very.........special

Didn't really plan to register myself in any Forum from Rune anymore but well...I so missed these topics
Normally it was always Lanza who made a scene and we ended up with a 33 pages long topic just because someone asked something trivial and he posted on it :b

But this is also good, please continue.

*Spirit*[3xA] wrote:The discussion about the 1vs1 thingy should stop indeed, its something from the last years Krantz, how come 8 years ago nobody played 1on1's, its because you are newer to this game, and those new guys think 1on1 is the best for aiming and timing, but thats pointless - you can aim and time in Bothvar aswell .
About Fresh - really I laughed my ass off when you gave him a compliment Krantz ''he is unpredictable'', this guy is predictable as hell and if you dont see that, you should really fix something, or its just that you are not experience enough to have a good discussion about Rune, and just write what people have told you sometime like you quote Emperor, its the worst comparison I ever heard and wont even go more into that with text..
I know you are not trowing these words on me personally Krantz, because you know it would be stupid if you do since Im better then you, and ofcourse you dont agree on that I wouldnt do the same if you said so, but its obviously that I am. On all those mix/trainings we did (pointing on the mindgaming), I just remember those 4/5 maps we did sometime ago or the fights on ROV server you even asked me how I was able to end up with the same score as emmix and having a few bloodlusts plus big rows on these USA servers (Does that ring a bell Krantz?).
Getting back on those words you gave me personally, I might be a ''regroup'' guy in 3xA - but I have never been one before, as I said before I am the leader in 3xA and want to play evry war If I can, and I know there are some players that are under my skills level in 3xA, and I dont mind regrouping with them then and then attacking in a group - if you call that lame, I would be really sad and dissapointed in you - it would be the best possible way to win a war for us, nothing to do with hide and seek, remove that view of you on 3xA fast . We could go just hack and slash around but what then, exactly what then, we would loose. And If you like our clan war style or not and believe what you hear from diffrent people - Im a straight guy and telling you how It went, and we just regrouped only at a specific place to attack as a crew, that has nothing to do with being a lame ass if you said so, dont remember, huge posts.

1. So you are claiming that playing a 1on1 doesn't determine any level of skill?

2. "About Fresh - really I laughed my ass off when you gave him a compliment Krantz ''he is unpredictable'', this guy is predictable as hell and if you dont see that, you should really fix something" - No to offend, but he is indeed unpredictable, I'm not talking about his moves here, but about his aiming and dodging, normally it's not that hard to work around someones aim and still stay close, but this guy just spins, so you can't move around his aim, nor his dodges. - Oh and Paul, I guess I shouldn't have given him a compliment, I felt a bit bad about that, untill just now, when I saw this shot http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=2vugd1z&s=7
I guess I don't have to point out that you aren't better then me now, do I?

3. Only reason why you made a row on rov server is because you played like a pussy imo There's too much running and mindgames for my taste, suit yourself, I'm just saying if you run and do a mindgame vs each opponent, than it's pretty easy to do positive. (again you can just say that I could do it myself, but I'd rather not, and this is my post, and I'm giving you my perspective on things, since you are curious indeed.

4. As I've said a million times now, I AM NOT SAYING THAT HIDEANDSEEK, REGROUP-EACH-MINUTE and styles alike aren't allowed or anything, I'm saying that when you choose to use this method, you choose it based on the fact, that you think you would lose without it, and that's what you should have in your thoughts when you are bragging about a win aswell. A win can be achieved in many ways, some more socially accepted than others, some more efficient than others, imo I'd rather lose a million wars without using hardcore tactics, and end up owning without them aswell. Beating you straight up is a much better feeling than beating you with every advantage possible.. Like an aggressive player beating up a defensive player, those are just pussies

- This thread needed a new kick in it's ass, so I gave it one. Now my intensions weren't to offend but if that's what gets it going, then you can thank me for making your forum active later

"But this is also good, please continue" - This is not good, it's great

So far, this is neither good or great, it's just a load of bullshit that people load uppon each other to try to force their point of view on each other.
1on1, 2on2, 3on3, 4on4...Who cares how many people face each other? The idea of this stuff was to show, who's better. Or to compete with the skills of someone else to see, what could be changed in order to get even stronger.
In a 1on1 you can face down individuals, that act the way they want to, in something 2on2 +, where are more people are included, you need to react to different people at tthe same time.
All has it's advantages and disadvantages.
Thou' I kinda have to agree with Paul. I'm running around more or less actively in Rune for almost 10 years now. Nothing to be proud of so far, but "back" there, I can't remember that I really did play many 1on1's. Just sometimes with Zorg and I got always incredibly crushed, but that was just for fun and we always kinda had a bet running.
So you can bitch each other as much as you want, you can't say for sure, that a 1on1 is better to see your skills or a 3on3.

hej Alex welcome to the forum then ^^

But Krantz, let me tell you this - how you write your posts bothers me a little bit, all those theories from you refering too the war styles, 1on1 thingies and what ever you wrote bothers me, like I said you got some ''theories'' but you can't or never have shown it in a real game, so that is what bothers me if you were curious, since I am not curious at all about your theories like u said to me.
Its funny you start pointing things out with 1 to 4.

1) That shot you have posted there about me and demention getting raped by Azel is another example how stupid that move from you was, Azel is known as Dolph, and as you might know Dolph is one fucking big cheater, and so did he in that 2on2. Or wern't you around when Dolph was - newskooler

2) This is only one shot and that has nothing to do with you at all - so its senseless comparing that with you and me and a cheating clan afterall

3) Pussy playstyle vs. ROV? Think again, you asked me how I managed to get a good score there, and I told you I was just timing and aiming, I didnt even hide one time so come with facts.

4) I havn't said hide and seek is allowed or not allowed aswell and I dont think thats the point of it - the point about the hide and seek part is that you are accusing me or some of my members of having that style so thats a senseless discussion.

5) You didnt gave this topic a new kick in his ass - you just reply on certain posts from a few days ago.

*Spirit*[3xA] wrote:hej Alex welcome to the forum then ^^

But Krantz, let me tell you this - how you write your posts bothers me a little bit, all those theories from you refering too the war styles, 1on1 thingies and what ever you wrote bothers me, like I said you got some ''theories'' but you can't or never have shown it in a real game, so that is what bothers me if you were curious, since I am not curious at all about your theories like u said to me.
Its funny you start pointing things out with 1 to 4.

1) That shot you have posted there about me and demention getting raped by Azel is another example how stupid that move from you was, Azel is known as Dolph, and as you might know Dolph is one fucking big cheater, and so did he in that 2on2. Or wern't you around when Dolph was - newskooler

2) This is only one shot and that has nothing to do with you at all - so its senseless comparing that with you and me and a cheating clan afterall

3) Pussy playstyle vs. ROV? Think again, you asked me how I managed to get a good score there, and I told you I was just timing and aiming, I didnt even hide one time so come with facts.

4) I havn't said hide and seek is allowed or not allowed aswell and I dont think thats the point of it - the point about the hide and seek part is that you are accusing me or some of my members of having that style so thats a senseless discussion.

5) You didnt gave this topic a new kick in his ass - you just reply on certain posts from a few days ago.

I didn't know Azel was Dolph to be honest, however I did know he was a cheater, I found the shot funny cause he didn't really kick your ass that bad, but majesty did.. Do you got an excuse for losing to him aswell? Dolph did maybe cheat, but if that's your excuse for losing then why did Majesty do positive too? Well.. I can easily compare the situation with me and you, to the shot, you lost vs rec, I never did so.. Saying otherwise is like saying the opposite of what you've done, that is comparing me to the jiazu war.

Facts? How will you ever prove that somebody plays a bit lamer than you do without demo'recing every match? I don't demorec that much, sorry, but I was there

I don't need to prove my accusations about someone being a bit defensive, or taking the easy road to success, you should know it yourself who's what, and who's not. And don't come saying that you are a bunch of aggressive playstyles.. GIVE ME THE FACTS, right? I'm just expressing what I've felt, and heard a million times before from others.. Don't take it to heart though..

"like I said you got some ''theories'' but you can't or never have shown it in a real game" Haha.. Wait a second.. I haven't shown my skills in a "real" game? What's a real game? My playstyle is what it is, I don't tend to think it's lame, haven't heard I'm lame. I have already proven what I needed to prove. You can say otherwise, but then again as you mentioned facts, you can just go and look at crew forum or where ever you want to look.. Where I'm at is fine, the day somebody shows me that you have a better aim, a better sense of timing, and prettier moves than me, is the day I'll have something to prove again Now you can be better than me in your own way, I don't mind. Like I said, I'd rather take the losing side at first, and end up with winning straight up.

Having a good aiming and such is all nice, but if you screw up your timing, it's worthless.
RUne is kinda based on your timing. Sure, you can add a nice touch with a good aim for it.
But I never even tried to aim in all the time I played Rune. Maybe I do it unnoticed for me, I just try to get the timing right. If the timing is right, even the most crappy aiming will get you a frag, if you're not trying to hit the next wall.

Indeed, I couldn't agree more, it's why cheaters still don't do godlike, they are missing some timing.. But, if you choose to focus on timing alone, this can make you very defensive, where as focusing on aim, could give you an oppotunity to be more aggressive, you can active more rapidly, you can attack faster and do moves people don't expect you to do. It's a matter of choice isn't it? You can have both, but how I see it, that would make you a player that has a nice balance of aggressiveness and defensive playstyle, but isn't really bound to any of those playstyles. I'm not saying you have to pick a playstyle, I'd just like to be as aggressive possible without being a freefrag.

I was too lazy to read all these huge posts, but what i wanted to sask is why the fuck do you brag so much about the vs jiazu war Subliminal? . I can quote Spirit after the war was finished "Ye sorry we played like that, but we knew with Gamora that there was no way we would have won without these lame tactics with Subliminal."

Well I havnt got my ass kicked by anyone first of all since I had an equal score, but you say you can easily compare this shot with you and me, which is another thing that I defenetly not agree with you, as far as I know you have never fought REC - I'd rather compare YOU and ME with the jiazu war/clan then comparing with REC a cheating clan that has never ever anything to do with this discussion. As for posting shots'
http://fotopocket.nl/fpimages/2011/07/13/434e5bac59ffb241b5d9136dbf44553f/kaamosri7.gif
Wern't you Kaamos-Niera on this shot.
You should be lucky I'm not uploading more shots of all these last mixes we did, you wouldnt come around the topic anymore.
Also I've never said your style is lame as you pointed out in your penultimate post, seriously wtf!?
I just mentoined your theroies are better then In game.

Krantz wrote:Where I'm at is fine, the day somebody shows me that you have a better aim, a better sense of timing, and prettier moves than me, is the day I'll have something to prove again

Good try

K1!!3R! wrote:can quote Spirit after the war was finished "Ye sorry we played like that, but we knew with Gamora that there was no way we would have won without these lame tactics with Subliminal."

Good try

What was i supposed to try? Just quoted what you said and just hoped it might becalm few noobs barely pick-up a weapon in rune.

tzz Azel IS NOT dolph you moron spirit
Azel is from italien or spain if i remember correct
DOLPH is from denmark, unless dolph has moved down to spain/italien sorry sameshit for me at the moment cuz im to lazy to check.

however!
dolph doesnt speak spanish/italien which, azel does.

Azel is a former systematic member called Carioun or Casion or something like that at least.
FACT you didnt know who he was.
Dolph is a newb cheater who pays sys for his cheats. FACT
Azel seemingly only has the runeI that contains "speeddodge, camrot and WH cheats"

ANYWAY you all talk such a big game but you both suck. stop talking about who is best when its obvious that noone is actually the best anymore, WE DONT have a player that is better then the rest like we use to.
like when we had players like Warmaster or silverwolf who would dominate when entering a server. against skilled players
now a days when a skilled player such as we all are here. enter the server we all have the same score more or less.

at least I have no problem following any of you newbs here.
if i have to play defensive or agressive who cares
if you use fucking tactics in a war, it doesnt mean your worse at anything, it just means you think more about your score then jumping stupidly into a fight.
NOT using tactics on the otherhand is not bad either..
opinions you all have thats good, dont try to change each others opinions it would render the whole IDEA behind opinions mute.

so agree to disagree and stop whining flaming each other since its pointless since you all have so different styles.



so stop beating the dead horse, its pointless.

*Spirit*[3xA] wrote:Well I havnt got my ass kicked by anyone first of all since I had an equal score, but you say you can easily compare this shot with you and me, which is another thing that I defenetly not agree with you, as far as I know you have never fought REC - I'd rather compare YOU and ME with the jiazu war/clan then comparing with REC a cheating clan that has never ever anything to do with this discussion. As for posting shots'
http://fotopocket.nl/fpimages/2011/07/13/434e5bac59ffb241b5d9136dbf44553f/kaamosri7.gif
Wern't you Kaamos-Niera on this shot.
You should be lucky I'm not uploading more shots of all these last mixes we did, you wouldnt come around the topic anymore.
Also I've never said your style is lame as you pointed out in your penultimate post, seriously wtf!?
I just mentoined your theroies are better then In game.

Krantz wrote:Where I'm at is fine, the day somebody shows me that you have a better aim, a better sense of timing, and prettier moves than me, is the day I'll have something to prove again

Good try

K1!!3R! wrote:can quote Spirit after the war was finished "Ye sorry we played like that, but we knew with Gamora that there was no way we would have won without these lame tactics with Subliminal."

Good try

well well well.. FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU. Posting my first ever war shot is a bit off the top isn't it? I can post public scores where you are losing aswell, but who cares.. I KNOW I WOULD BEAT YOU SPIRIT! YOU KNOW IT! You vs me, pick any map, 20 mins, I'll rip you apart, IT'S ON MOTHERFUCKER! BROOOOOOOOOOOOOW'DOOOOOOOOOOOOOWN!

EDIT: I never said that you said that I was lame.. I guess you misunderstood me. I know you'd kill for my aim and moves

Ofcourse there are public shots that I am losing. This was a 3on3 war, and if this was your first one - it was one from 2 years or 2 and a half years ago - that explains how new you are in this game reffering to your so called theories that are so noobish that I cried a little about my Krantz.
Just think again - you said that alot of times you would own me or rip me apart - but then, we played a lot of mixes and I told you I am going to own you, and I did own you alot of maps. So get over it I am better then you, end of discussion.

Soo... Anyone seen a good movies lately?

Yea man watched anchor man again. "i've heard their periods attract bears, they can smell the menstruation!"